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Red Rose Stories raided and shut down
Announcing the death of Red Rose Stories I am sorry to inform all interested parties that Red Rose Stories is a DEAD site. The FBI has suceeded in closing me down. I am being charged with 'OBSCENITIES' and face charges for having posted such stories. Our stories are NOT protected speech. Please, please, be careful out there. When it comes to free speech SEX STORIES are NOT covered. The ONLY legal sex stories are those that involve a man and a woman, consenting to MISSIONARY POSITION SEX, in a dark room. You CAN NOT write beastiality, water sports, scat, b&d, s&m, slavery, threesomes, orgies, or sex with children. It is considered OBSCENE and is prosecutable. TRUST ME ON THIS. I found out the HARD WAY. The men in black (FBI) took ALL of my computer equipment, and many of my diskettes, and have access to ALL my files and site information. They came when I was NOT home and siezed my belongings, I had no choice, and no recourse. I am terribly sorry for the trouble, and for you subscribers, I am DEEPLY sorry, for I can not do anything to refund your monies to you, as the FBI has everything connected to the site. I'm sure none of you want to ask the feds for a refund, but if you do, call the pittsburgh fbi office. Once again, I am deeply sorry that the site must come down. Chat WILL remain, as will some parts of the forum. However, please do not post anything of a sexual, or political nature in the forum. The men in black are watching, and with the patriot act, who knows what they may find threatening now days. YOU don't want them knocking on your door. The owner later edited the message, removing paragraphs 3-7 and changing some wording elsewhere. While being raided by the FBI is undoubtedly a stressful experience, the hysterical, passive-aggressive, self-serving tone of this message put me off. It's clearly not true that "the ONLY legal sex stories are those that involve a man and a woman, consenting to MISSIONARY POSITION SEX, in a dark room", as anyone who has browsed a bookstore erotica section or the alt.sex.stories archive lately knows. Depictions of group sex have not been legally questionable for some time. Fiction involving bondage, sadomasochism, even rape and slavery fantasies, is plentiful these days and not in great danger of a crackdown. Watersports is a legal grey area for video and photo porn — many big porn companies have shut down their pissing sites in the last few years — but piss fiction is probably not a high priority for the feds. Bestiality and scat (ie, poop porn) are definite legal no-nos for video and photo porn, so it's possible that beastie and scat fiction would be targeted for obscenity prosecution. But it's clear that the "sex with children" genre is what incurred the FBI's wrath. And this genre was clearly a major draw for Red Rose Stories — before the raid, the site's main page bore the title "Red Rose Stories uncensored lolita stories and more" (which I discovered by looking at Google-cached pages last week). So let's cut the "missionary position in a dark room" crap and acknowledge what this case is about: erotic stories with explicit descriptions of adults having sex with children. Every reasonable person opposes child molestation and child pornography. Video/photo child porn is much worse than mere text stories, because actual children are harmed in the production of the former. So should erotic fiction about adult-child sex, occurring only in the imaginations of writer and reader, be banned? One theory says that reading such stories reinforces the fantasy and makes it more likely that the reader will later molest real children. Another theory says that reading such stories allows a harmless indulgence of the fantasy and makes it less likely that the reader will later molest real children. I don't know which theory is more valid. I don't have much sympathy for Red Rose. Legality aside, publishing explicit stories about adult-child sex is irresponsible and unethical. Seeing this site disappear forever wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But I do worry about the impact of a successful obscenity prosecution based solely on fictional text and audio. Slippery slope arguments are relevant here, because anti-porn activists and prosecutors obviously want a slippery slope. The YNOT News article quotes Red Rose's attorney, Larry Walters (who owns the domain FirstAmendment.com and represents many adult entertainment industry clients): [Walters] said that the FBI will have a difficult case if the raid was merely over the content of text stories. "We're still investigating the issues associated with the raid, but at this point it does not appear that any basis exists to justify obscenity charges premised on the written stories and audio files that were the subject of the search warrant,” Walters told YNOT. “While obscenity laws are broad enough to potentially cover the written word, a conviction based solely on text, or even audio, would be an extreme uphill battle for the government in the current culture. We are hopeful that once the matter is reviewed at the next level, no further action will be taken in regards to the stories at issue." I grudgingly hope he's right.
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